WHO ARE THE MEMBERS OF PAINT?
Robb Johannes: vocals/guitar (me)
Mandy Dunbar: guitar/vocals
Marcus Warren: bass
Chris Oliver: drums
HOW DID THE BAND FIRST COME TO BE?
I
started Paint initially in Vancouver when I was going through what most
18-year-old boys do: I thought I was the next Bob Dylan, I was churning
out 20 shitty songs a week, playing all the instruments, and felt I was
doing something revolutionary, haha. Of course, that didn't really go
anywhere, we did an album, some touring, and ultimately I took some
time off to playing in other bands as a sideman: notable Hinterland,
Paper Moon, and Carving Hearts. Playing shoegaze, pop, and punk really
sharpened my vision of what I wanted to be doing musically. So in early
2008, Matt Laforest (former drummer of a great band called Astoria) and
I got together and dreamed up our ideal concept for a band. It was very
clear: we loved Brit rock, vintage tube amps, and blending very sonic,
"wall of sound" instrumentation (i.e. Catherine Wheel) with
narrative-based lyrics and sing-a-long choruses. And of course, since
live music at small clubs is often a backdrop to drinking
establishments, we wanted to be as loud as we possibly could so people
couldn't talk through our set and would have no choice but to listen to
us. That was fun. Paula McGlynn came on board, who I played in Paper
Moon with -- she brought in a lovely Kim Deal-esque backup vocal with a
totally contrasting filthy, dirty electric guitar. We borrowed bass
players and the Can You Hear Me? album is the product of about 9 months
of writing and playing shows around Vancouver. But once it was
completed, it was clear given the cultural shift in Vancouver that it
wasn't going to work for the band to stay there (it's very difficult to
tour, there are very few venues, to name a few issues). I was the only
one who could make the move across the country after I cleaned up from
drugs and alcohol and got married -- so Matt and Paula gave me their
blessings, stayed on as writing partners, and I took the machine to
Toronto where I found Mandy, Marcus, and Chris (more on that in a
moment).
WHERE DID THE NAME OF THE BAND COME FROM?
A
lot of bands will try and ascribe some cosmic meaning to their names --
and we may have at some point as well, but honestly... the first
rehearsal space we had was in the basement of a dingy storage facility
on Pacific and Richards in Vancouver. We'd leave every rehearsal
reeking of paint fumes because they were renovating the basement. I
wanted a name that was one word, easy to say, easy to remember.... and
the smell just kind of inspired it. Matt, Paula, and I really wanted to
rename the band in 2008 because it just didn't seem to fit the "loud"
conception of the band, but we couldn't for the life of us come up with
something else, so we kept it. And "Holy Fuck" was already taken.
WAS IT DIFFICULT TO RECRUIT OTHER MUSICIANS FOR THE BAND?
Not
really. I came to Toronto with a completed album, a clear direction of
vision, and a "take-no-prisoners" attitude. It's pretty easy to filter
out "hobbyists" when you lay it out that way, and it's shocking how
many musicians actually are afraid to just take it as far as it will
go... so, having nothing to lose was a major criteria for people to
joint Paint, as well the ability to learn a small back catalogue of
material with no ego, and most importantly, to be creative and
contribute to new compositions. So I just advertised, talked to
friends, went to shows, and just chatted with everyone I could. I got a
lot of strange responses (notably a woman who believed she was the
re-incarnation of Marilyn Monroe), but I was able to weed through
things, and find some amazing people. Mandy was auditioned on YouTube
(I'm serious). She sent me videos of her playing guitar and I invited
her to play a few tour dates around with us to "try it out" (when in
reality she had me sold immediately cos she was an amazing and
charismatic performer -- but of course, I wanted her to sweat for it a
little, haha). She's also very level-headed, which is a rare and
"keeper" quality for a musician -- another reason why I love having at
least one female band member always. Marcus responded to an ad online
somewhere and had pretty learned the entire album before we even met,
so that was easy. He's really helped spearhead the drive to write new
songs as well, so it's made the live show full of more surprises. And
Chris was invited as a "fill-in" to help out on drums with a few tour
dates initially. He got the songs on Monday, rehearsed with us twice,
and we went on stage on Saturday and played one of the best shows we've
played (in Toronto at C'est What?). So he was in. And that's it.
WHERE DOES INSPIRATION COME FOR YOUR LYRICS?
Everything.
Every single experience; a look left instead of right can completely
alter the course of your life, and every single experience, story,
encounter, friendship, relationship, and observation can then find
their way into my notebook, typewriter, and eventually into song
lyrics... I also have done a lot of activism with prisoners, sex
workers, hardcore drug users, and other marginalized groups like
Aboriginals, so that's been three lifetimes of inspiration. I keep on
ongoing journal and when it comes time to start thinking about lyrics
(i.e. when we have some musical compositions in the work), it's really
a matter of finding the words that best fit the emotional tone of the
piece of music. I can probably tell you 3-hour long stories about every
song and what inspired the lyrics but my standpoint on lyrics is this:
as soon as a song is written, recorded, and released to the public, the
meaning of the lyrics is no longer my property. It becomes the
audience's song to interpret and find meaning as they wish. Art (and
yes, I consider some pop music to still be art) is a means of
communication, sharing ideas, and personal growth. I think of a lot of
songs that meant a lot to me and then after hearing the writer explain
in detail what the songs meant to them, it kind of took away the
personal connection I had to the song... so, I try not to reveal things
about my lyrics that way because I don't feel that it's my place to do
so (plus I feel my connection to the audience should mostly be through
the music, that's what everyone really needs to know about me; I try to
keep my personal life as private as any other citizen would). In
general though, the lyrics are written to be memorable, easy to sing
along with, and catchy -- but with deeper layers of meaning that are
there if you so choose to want to go there. I'm grateful when people
want to take them to that level but I'm also totally fine if they're
just gonna sing along and have fun. As long as they're listening, I'm
happy!
DOES EACH MEMBER OF THE BAND HAVE A HAND IN WRITING EACH SONG?
Yes.
Absolutely. The only thing that I do myself is write lyrics. Every
piece of music, every arrangement, every chord change, every dynamic
shift, the length of every section -- all go through each band member's
filter. The amount of editing that needs to be done really depends on
how complete a piece is when it's presented. "Strangers" for example,
is a song that I brought in pretty much completely written: every
guitar part, vocal part, and groove were there, so the others just had
to learn them. But a song like "A Gentle Art," on the other hand, we
hammered away at it, and ended up merging what we thought were
initially two completely separate songs into a bridge and a chorus. No
song is ever written the same way. That's why I love playing in a band
so much more than being solo; four people can take a piece of music so
much further than any one of them could do on their own. It's a
completely different perspective, it's the same as working with a
producer on an album, who's one-step removed emotionally from the music
and just wants to take the great idea you have and make it better... It
slows down the process of writing for sure, but I think quality is much
more important than quantity. I'd rather have 8 songs that kick serious
ass than have 25 that are 80% filler -- that's a mistake that a lot of
immature musicians make. And I say that from the point of view of
having been there myself!
NOW YOUR VOCALS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WHICH I ADMIRED MOST ABOUT THE ALBUM AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAVE HAD ANY VOCAL TRAINING?
First
of all, thank you! I've always been leery of training, and trained
musicians in general. They always sound generic; as though training has
this built-in elitism and a very narrow perspective of what a "good"
musician is supposed to sound like. So most come out the other side
very technically proficient, and they could play circles around me, but
they don't have a unique character to their playing, or to their voice.
They wow you, but they don't make you FEEL anything. I worked with a
vocal coach named Spencer Welch in Vancouver for a while, who
specializes in something called "Speech-Level Singing," and he was
great in just helping me work on how to sing for long periods, on tour,
in the studio, and not destroy my throat. I'm very aware of how to
maintain a healthy voice box, which is really not all that different to
just keeping a healthy body; so, exercising, eating well, drinking lots
of tea (I have some very special herbal formulas of which I can't
reveal the ingredients, and some regimented warmup routines that I do
before every show). Getting clean from drugs and alcohol admittedly
helped a lot as well especially with my upper register, though a lot of
whiskey definitely did give me some natural grit to sing rock! But in
terms of the actual character of my voice, as with any instrument, it's
supposed to be an extension of you as a person. So I definitely sing
from an emotional and communicative place based on words and melody
rather than a technical one. Music is about connecting with people
after all.
WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE SONG OFF THE ALBUM TO PLAY LIVE?
Depends
on the night, really! And I go through phases with them, and some songs
are more fun to play for us than they are for the audience to hear so
it's never the same with each gig... back in Vancouver, I loved playing
"After," it just killed, especially in the long bridge section when it
builds back into the last chorus. "Strangers" has been consistently
strong live, "Madonna" is probably my favourite song that we have and I
love playing it live because it's very, very difficult yo play
correctly. "Don't Blow Me Away" has never failed to have audiences
singing the chorus with us whether they've heard the song or not. I
must say though that lately "Can You Hear Me?" has been my personal
favourite of the album songs to play live. Mandy just completely
slaughters that solo at the end (with all due respect to what Paula did
on the album). I get to just sit back and groove out with Marcus and
Chris, and let her step to the front and tear everyone's faces off.
It's also one of the only moments in our live set when I can really
look out into the audience and be part of a shared experience of
watching Mandy in her element. It's other-worldly, really.
WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE TO PLAY LIVE?
You
mean favourite song beyond the album? ...a lot of the new songs we've
written are sharper, and just one step above the songs on the albums --
which is why playing live is so crucial for us right now, to give the
new songs an outlet before it's time to record them. We've got one
called "She Leaves" that I wrote in 10 minutes or so, which we often
close our sets with, and it just slays. It's the first "yeah yeah" song
we have, and audiences go nuts for it. I also think it may have some of
the best lyrics I've written and it really captures Paint: high-energy,
danceable, sing-a-long, and with a positive outlook but an underlying
sense of unrest and facing some of life's most difficult challenges
with a resilient outlook, like, "Yes, I will overcome this!" I can't
wait to record the new songs, but in the meantime I guess we just have
to keep touring so people can hear them!
HOW DO YOU FIND PEOPLE TAKE YOUR MUSIC?
We've
been able to create quieter moments on stage lately, and breaking away
with the "wall of sound" a little because audiences have been very
attentive. They see that we're having fun on stage, that we genuinely
believe in the music, and that the lyrics are coming from a very
personal place for me. So it creates a lot of reciprocal positive
energy, and a very intimate experience at every show. Like I said, with
songs like "Don't Blow Me Away" and new songs like "She Leaves," people
who have never heard the songs before are singing along by the last
chorus. So, I think we're onto something. And girls lose their minds
when they see Mandy on stage just nailing it. We've gotten emails from
girls saying they went out and bought a guitar after seeing us live. I
can't think of a higher compliment than that; to inspire others and to
be doing something culturally relevant, not just in the form of writing
lyrics with a social consciousness, but to challenge male dominance in
rock 'n' roll, is pretty amazing. I'm proud to be a part of this band.
WHERE CAN PEOPLE PICK UP YOUR ALBUM?
A few ways: directly through us at our online store (
www.thepaintsite.com/store.html), in some independent retailers in Toronto (Sonic Boom, Criminal Records, Soundscapes), on iTunes (mp3), CDBaby (CD and mp3),
Amazon.com
(CD and mp3), and a great distributor called Zunior, which does FLAC
lossless audio files as well as pdf album artwork! I don't buy music
digitally myself and never have. I like vinyl, and I go to stores
because I love having something tangible in my hands, and reading liner
notes, and appreciating the album as a complete piece of work. So,
Zunior is a cool outlet to buy digital music and still have the rest of
the package in your possession. And as we tour, we're slowly getting
our album into independent retailers in every city but we need to get
to every city in order for that to happen. So, expect it in more places
soon!